• FTN Help Please?

    From Kurisu@618:250/50 to All on Sun Jun 14 20:05:27 2026
    Hey everyone.

    So, in my desire to make sure *everything* is working since my return to runing an FTN connected BBS, I've been doing various bits of config fixing and testing, and recently got to the stage of testing outgoing netmail to systems which are *not* my hub -- that is, areafix / filefix requests go out fine, but mail for another node, even one that is ostensibly the same system, isn't going well at all.

    I'm running a typical Synchronet system, and when I noticed mail files were left in the representative fido folders, I manually fired up binkp and was met with the following (an example from much later, after like a dozen polls of all my connected systems -- sorry fellow sysops!)

    Attempting callout for 618:250/10@micronet, file: /sbbs/fido/outbound.26a/00fa000a.cut
    JSBinkP/5 callout to 618:250/10@micronet started
    Connecting to 618:250/10@micronet at f10.n250.z618.example.com:24554
    Connection to f10.n250.z618.example.com:24554 failed (Error: No address associated with hostname).


    I have a very stock SBBS setup for my sbbsecho.ini after adding a few echo networks. Nothing special has been tweaked or otherwise customized -- that is to say, that is to say I am working with what Synchronet set up for me after providing the necessary credentials to connect to my hub which, for the record, would be 618:250/1

    Now, I stress that FTN is a bit of an enigma to me -- it's why I left the networked BBS scene for a time, as it annoyed me that much previously -- but my understanding is that mail going out should be sent to my hub, which then sends it out as it needs to as per the topology of the FTN networking in question. Obviously, however, Synchronet is trying to send it out in one way or another as a directly sent message to a dummy domain which of course goes nowhere.

    This isn't configured anywhere, either. At all. So, I'm at a bit of a loss, the Synchronet documentation doesn't address this as far as I can find, and AI was about as confused as me (yeah, I got desperate) so here I am, asking for some advice on getting message routing that's basically as old as I am working.

    Naturally, I can provide what files you all may need upon request.
    Thanks!

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  • From Kurisu@618:250/50 to All on Sun Jun 14 20:16:03 2026
    Update: in browsing https://wiki.synchro.net/module:binkit my blind self saw at the very bottom an Errors section with the following similar enough error listing with solution:

    Callout to 3:330/1@fidonet started.
    Connection to f1.n330.z3.binkp.net:24554 failed.

    This error means that the linked node (3:330/1@fidonet in the example) is not DNS-resolvable. You'll need to use a nodelist for the fidonet domain or a “BinkpHost” value for that node (with the IP address or host name of the node) in your sbbsecho.ini file.

    Which, if these are indeed the same core scenario, means I'd need to add the nodelist (which I heard wasn't needed anymore in most software, but I guess I was grossly misinformed?) or configure each node individually, which I DID try previously and, as expected, didn't work, since my config in Micronet, as our example, exists *only* for 618:250/1, and not 618:250/10 (again, even with them being the same system AFAIK, my credentials are for /1, not /10.

    If it's really that simple I'll smile and fix it in the afternoon, and wish I had done that earlier this evening.

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  • From Kurisu@618:250/50 to All on Sun Jun 14 20:29:05 2026
    ....yes, that was it.
    Realized I had more time this evening and gave it a go before crashing for the night.

    add in the nodelist, things work.

    Why then, oh why, would I be lied to by someone, somewhere, about the need for nodelists in SBBS?

    Well, thank you all for reading this adventure. I welcome your friendly laughs and any suggestions you have on other little gotchas to look out for.

    _________
    Kurisu Yamato
    www.xadara.com
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  • From Tanausu M.@618:500/19.1 to Kurisu on Mon Jun 15 01:42:14 2026
    Hello Kurisu!

    15 Jun 26 02:38, Tanausu wrote to Kurisu:

    Hey everyone.

    So, in my desire to make sure *everything* is working since my return to runing
    an FTN connected BBS, I've been doing various bits of config fixing and testing, and recently got to the stage of testing outgoing netmail to systems
    which are *not* my hub -- that is, areafix / filefix requests go out fine, but
    mail for another node, even one that is ostensibly the same system, isn't going
    well at all.

    I'm running a typical Synchronet system, and when I noticed mail files were
    left in the representative fido folders, I manually fired up binkp and was met
    with the following (an example from much later, after like a dozen polls of all
    my connected systems -- sorry fellow sysops!)

    Attempting callout for 618:250/10@micronet, file: /sbbs/fido/outbound.26a/00fa000a.cut
    JSBinkP/5 callout to 618:250/10@micronet started
    Connecting to 618:250/10@micronet at f10.n250.z618.example.com:24554 Connection to f10.n250.z618.example.com:24554 failed (Error: No address associated with hostname).


    I have a very stock SBBS setup for my sbbsecho.ini after adding a few echo networks. Nothing special has been tweaked or otherwise customized -- that is
    to say, that is to say I am working with what Synchronet set up for me after
    providing the necessary credentials to connect to my hub which, for the record,
    would be 618:250/1

    Now, I stress that FTN is a bit of an enigma to me -- it's why I left the networked BBS scene for a time, as it annoyed me that much previously -- but my
    understanding is that mail going out should be sent to my hub, which then sends
    it out as it needs to as per the topology of the FTN networking in question.
    Obviously, however, Synchronet is trying to send it out in one way or another
    as a directly sent message to a dummy domain which of course goes nowhere.

    This isn't configured anywhere, either. At all. So, I'm at a bit of a loss, the
    Synchronet documentation doesn't address this as far as I can find, and AI was
    about as confused as me (yeah, I got desperate) so here I am, asking for some
    advice on getting message routing that's basically as old as I am working.

    Naturally, I can provide what files you all may need upon request.
    Thanks!

    Hi, sorry for my bad English, this happened to me at the beginning of the setup. You have to create domains specifying the node to connect to: for example, in my case with sfcg or in /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.ini

    [domain:micronet]
    Zones = 618
    DNSSuffix = bbs.outpostbbs.net
    NodeList = /sbbs/data/file/micronet/list/MICRONET.072

    When you assign it to your hub or node in echocfg,

    [node:618:500/1@micronet]

    It will know where to look in the domains.



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  • From Tanausu M.@618:500/19.1 to Kurisu on Mon Jun 15 01:49:28 2026
    Hello Kurisu!

    15 Jun 26 02:49, Tanausu wrote to Kurisu:

    ....yes, that was it.
    Realized I had more time this evening and gave it a go before crashing for the
    night.

    add in the nodelist, things work.

    Why then, oh why, would I be lied to by someone, somewhere, about the need for
    nodelists in SBBS?

    Well, thank you all for reading this adventure. I welcome your friendly laughs
    and any suggestions you have on other little gotchas to look out for.

    If you don't enter the domains correctly, it won't know where to find the server to connect to and send the data. In your case, by adding the node list, it finds it automatically if it's on that list.


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  • From Kurisu@618:250/50 to Tanausu M. on Sun Jun 14 21:22:54 2026
    Re: Re: FTN Help Please?
    By: Tanausu M. to Kurisu on Mon Jun 15 2026 01:49 am

    If you don't enter the domains correctly, it won't know where to find the server to connect to and send the data. In your case, by adding the node list, it finds it automatically if it's on that list.

    Yep, it totally makes sense in retrospect. Many things are like that, of course.

    Thank you for taking interest in my trouble. :)
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/10 to KURISU on Mon Jun 15 08:06:12 2026
    Why then, oh why, would I be lied to by someone, somewhere, about the need for
    nodelists in SBBS?

    When I started using binkit, you needed the binkphost setting in the ini
    file. I never tried it with the nodelist when that capability was added.

    It is possible that someone didn't even realize you could use the nodelist. ;)


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  • From Kurisu@618:250/50 to Mike Powell on Mon Jun 15 14:26:56 2026
    Re: FTN Help Please?
    By: Mike Powell to KURISU on Mon Jun 15 2026 08:06 am

    When I started using binkit, you needed the binkphost setting in the ini file. I never tried it with the nodelist when that capability was added.

    It is possible that someone didn't even realize you could use the nodelist. ;)


    Yeah, I can totally see that.

    And, in a funny twist, I did try the domain for capitol city.... which, I'm sure hanging out in your logs, is a hilarious blast of your system saying "no, you aren't fidonet, you aren't this net, that net, you aren't anything, get out of here!" when I tried that. :D

    At least it all worked out in the end. I learned something, and that's always a win.
    _________
    Kurisu Yamato
    www.xadara.com
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  • From Tanausu M.@618:500/19.1 to Kurisu on Mon Jun 15 19:48:29 2026
    Hello Kurisu!

    15 Jun 26 20:48, Tanausu wrote to Kurisu:

    Re: FTN Help Please?
    By: Mike Powell to KURISU on Mon Jun 15 2026 08:06 am

    When I started using binkit, you needed the binkphost setting in the ini
    file. I never tried it with the nodelist when that capability was added.

    It is possible that someone didn't even realize you could use the nodelist.
    ;)


    Yeah, I can totally see that.

    And, in a funny twist, I did try the domain for capitol city.... which, I'm sure hanging out in your logs, is a hilarious blast of your system saying "no, you aren't fidonet, you aren't this net, that net, you aren't anything, get out of here!" when I tried that. :D

    At least it all worked out in the end. I learned something, and that's always a win.

    You'll never go to bed without learning something new. :D

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